Heroic Hearts
Heroic Hearts
Responding to the Call

Responding to the Call

Season 1 Episode 3

Responding to the Call

In this episode, Walter and Amy discuss the 3rd stage of the Heroic Hearts' Journey and how Joan of Arc responds with courage and resolve to overcome obstacles and those who would resist her Call. They also share thoughts on Lent and how the Church's penitential season can provide opportunities to experience enchantment.

Hosts: Walter Emerson, Amy Chase

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Show Guide

01:07 Reflections on Lent

05:36 Search for Meaning vs. Happiness

07:37 Walter's Enchanting Moment

08:21 Prayer Journal

11:51 Amy's Enchanting Moment

13:30 Tolkien's creation myth in Silmarillon

14:18 The Phenomenological World

14:32 Bishop Barron on our participation in creation

16:15 Review of last week's Reflective Questions

19:37 Walter's hierarchy of values changes after his encounter with Joan of Arc

21:23 Joan of Arc's heavenly advice

22:55 St. Therese's hermeneutic of St. Joan

23:09 St. Therese's "Pious Recreations"

23:32 Photo of St. Therese as Joan of Arc

26:30 Life of St. Therese book

27:48 3rd Stage of the Hero's Journey - Questioning the Call

28:04 The Hobbit by JRR Tolkien

29:43 St. Joan's response to her Call to Adventure

31:33 Joan's preparation period following her Call

33:25 Regine Pernoud on Joan of Arc

35:18 Joan of Arc faces resistance to her call

37:12 Robert de Baudricourt, governor of Vaucouleurs

39:22 Joan of Arc meets Jean de Metz

42:44 Joan of Arc's father threatens her

45:08 The loyalty of Jean de Metz

48:18 Questioning our own calls when we face obstacles

50:51 Walter's Reflective Questions

52:17 Amy's Reflective Question

55:07 "The Morning" by W.S. Merwin

Reading Assignment

This episode: Mark Twain’s “Joan of Arc”, Book 1, Chapters 7-8

Next episode: None (catch up week)

Reflective Questions


Describe a time when you felt a call and were immediately confronted by obstacles or challenges. What was the outcome, and did you grow or shrink in response?

Describe a time you felt others were speaking poorly and unfairly about you. Did you defend yourself with virtue or anger/vice? Did your response help or hurt you in accepting your call?


How has doubt, fear, or resistance to change manifested in your own higher calling? How have you dealt with it?

Poem: "The Morning" by W.S. Merwin (see publication info below)

References cited:

Mark Twain's "Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc"

Bishop Barron's Catholicism series

JRR Tolkien's "Silmarillon"

August Laveille's "Life of St. Therese of Lisieux"

JRR Tolkien's "The Hobbit"

W.S. Merwin's "The Morning" from "Garden Time" (Copper Canyon Press, 2016). Copyright © 2016 by W. S. Merwin.  www.coppercanyonpress.org.

Cover Art: Henri Chapu, via Wikimedia Commons

Heroic Hearts
Heroic Hearts
Heroic Hearts is a podcast about healing, enchanting, and elevating our hearts through the stories and spirituality of St. Joan of Arc and St. Therese of Lisieux.